Columbus Ohio real estate

Smoking Banned!

no smoking signAs of yesterday the smoking ban in Ohio is now enforced. 

I am curious about which other states have public smoking bans. Cities? 

On a post about fresh air.. or lack of it Lenn Harley left a comment "But, there are still about 25% of the population that inhale more smog from cigarettes daily than they ever will from the air outside their homes.  Of course, they get a double whammy of polutions when smoking in smog."

Do 25% of people still smoke?  Public smoking has been banned in Ohio since December 7, 2006 or maybe the vote was December 7, 2006 ... the law is being enforced as of May 3, 2007.

Most of Central Ohio has had a public smoking ban for over a year.  Worthington was one of the first cities in Central Ohio to ban public smoking  before the City of Columbus. 

I'm curious if Akron, Dayton, Cincinnati, Cleveland or anywhere other than Central Ohio had banned smoking before the statewide ban.  Smoking is allowed in homes, tobacco shops, open patios and areas within nursing homes according to the health department. The fate of private clubs is still being debated. There's a hearing in Columbus mid May. Lots of Ohio bars and restaurants will get a patio now if they have not had one. 

It sounds like Akron health official and Cleveland health officials have very differing views on whether people and businesses will comply with the law:

According to the Akron Beacon Journal:  

Dr. J. Michael Moser, Akron's health commissioner, said it's his hope that no fines will be levied.

``I believe most property owners and most people want to be law-abiding,'' Moser said. ``They may or may not agree with the law, but the culture of Akron is that people obey the law when the law is enforced.''

According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer:

"Terry Allan, the Cuyahoga County health commissioner, said he expects complaints to soar in the first few months Altoid tin from Wikipedia because that has been the lesson of other smoke-free states."

After the Columbus ban I remember 'The Other Paper' in Columbus doing an article about some local bars being what they called a "Smoke Easy" like a 'speak easy'  in the days of prohibition.  The article gave addresses, names of the "Smoke Easies" and said some used Altoid tins for ashtrays. You know the curiously strong mints....   There'd be a curious number of breath mint tins on the bar in a smoke easy...

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Comment balloon 19 commentsMaureen McCabe • May 04 2007 05:36AM


they had a smoking ban in NYC for years. My personal opinion is they should let people smoke in bars.
Posted by Luke Constantino, Residential/Commercial Real Estate Brooklyn NY (Brooklyn/Manhattan Real Estate) about 12 years ago
Our Governor is trying to pass this for the state of Illinois as we speak.
Posted by Laura Karambelas, Realtor - Downers Grove (Baird & Warner Downers Grove) about 12 years ago
Maureen, I recall when the Smoking Ban was first implemented in So Cal. It included bars and restaurants. There were already bans in smoking in other public places for years. At first it was amazing that they could have passed such a law. At most bars even non-regular smokers smoked? Then either the bars and restaurants opened patios "smoking areas" or people became accustomed to the not smoking. I must admit it was nice to be able to eat food without tasting or smelling a cigarette. They have passed a law here in Maryland that will stop restaurant smoking and I believe it includes bars as well.
Posted by Phillip Cross, ePRO Realtor - Relocation Spec (TBD - In transition...) about 12 years ago

Laura: Does Chicago or Cook County have smoking bans?  Any of the suburbs of Chicago?  The way it happened in Ohio was sort of interesting to watch.  Worthington where my office is was one of the first to ban smoking in public places.  I feel sorry for the restaurants and bars in Worthington, because nearby there'd be bars and restaurants in Columbus (with Worthington addresses) that could legally allow smoking.  I think the Columbus smoking ban lagged behind Worthingtons by about 6 months or 9 months but I could be wrong about that.  Still there were restaurants and bars in townships and a few hold out communities where you'd run into smoke. Then last year there were big campaigns by Smoke Free Ohio and Smoke Less (tobacco) before the election where there was a vote for a statewide ban. 

Luke:  I am surprised that it is bars too.  5 years ago I would have said that it was impossible to ban smoking in bars.  When it was on the ballot for Columbus when the discussion turned that way it seemed to me  the health department and the proponents of banning smoking would bring up was the health of the people working at the bars.  I think both the City of Columbus ban and the Ohio ban are based on the health of the workers in the public places as well as the patrons. 

The news can get interviews with plenty of the workers at bars shaking their fists and saying the patrons staying home to smoke is ruining their business.  Bar and restaurant groups have tried to overturn, delay the bans here. 

Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) about 12 years ago

Phil: Thanks for the comment.  Business boomed in Central Ohio for construction adding patios in the last couple of years. I am sure it will in the other Ohio cities too.  I have wondered if they started adding the patios in Cinci, Cleveland, Dayton, Toledo etc.  since the vote or if they've hoped the ban was going to go away. I think my favorite Central Ohio Mexican restaurant may be getting a patio a bit later than most in town. The last time we were there I forgot to go around and look at the parking lot in the far side of the building.  A week or so earlier there were building supplies in the parking lot and I said they're getting a patio!

Ohio has a lot less year to use patios than S. California.  I know one at least one downtown Columbus restaurant went out of business because there was no way to add a patio.  I feel for the businesses. I love not smelling it though.   


Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) about 12 years ago

I beleive in the ban. I am a non smoker and have never smoked. I beleive California was the first to do this? i can remember being in a Bar and Grill (a few years ago) in CA, and noticing i was bothered by smoke and then seeing people outside smoking...i asked what was up and they told me there was a ban set in place. In public establishments im all for it.

There is a company i know that has banned smoking EVERYWHERE, even previously designated my opinion this is wrong. Reason being, smoke bothers me, i just know to saty away from those designated places... 


Posted by Dave Sulvetta, Realtor (Dave Sulvetta, ReMax Connection, Gloucester County Realtor) about 12 years ago
I think the ban in NYC is at least 12 years old.  I left there 6 years ago and it had already gone into effect many years before that.  I was surprised to read your post.  I just assumed it had gone this route everywhere already.  I recently had a prospective tenant viewing my own condo for rent and I flat out told her I didn't want her smoking inside.  The smell is often impossible to remove.  She had met me outside smoking a cigarette and lit another up the moment we were back outside.  I know a chain smoker when I see one. 
Posted by Maggie Dokic | Miami, FL | 305.81.HOUSE (46873), GREEN, CDPE, SFR, Pinecrest | Palmetto Bay | (eXp Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

Dave: I am a non smoker and I have loved how nice it has been in restaurants since all the Central Ohio bans have been in place. 

I don't like strangers smoke. I do hang out with smokers.  When I am in the office I love to go out for a cigarette with my smoking friends, I just stand up wind.  

I think Scotts in Marysville Ohio is a company that has banned smoking completely.  I think they even are requiring their employees to give up smoking.  Or maybe I am confusing them with someone else.   

Maggie:  I don't believe it has gone that way in much of the Midwest or the much of the SE yet.  Is Miami smoke free in public places? Does Florida have a public smoking ban?

The story of Ohio enforcing the smoking ban was reported in a bunch of the newspapers in our state.  Almost all of the other out of state coverage of it that I could find was in tobacco growing state, Washington D.C. and one Indiana paper.  I should have paid attention to what paper in Indiana, wheteher it is in the Cinci area...  I know border towns in Ohio are going to have it rough.  I don't see West Virginia or Kentucky as being proponents of smoking bans.  I have no idea if Indiana has a ban but if they don't towns on the stateline could  be divided smoking and non smoking.

thanks for the comments

Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) about 12 years ago

Maureen, Scotts has not only banned smoking on their grounds but they also fired people if they had not quit by the due date last fall. They stopped hiring smokers a year ago. The smokers had about 9-months notice last year regarding what the new rules were. They were provided with smoking-cessation programs paid for by the company. They built a multi-million dollar health facility to assist employees with being totally healthy. They're self-insured so are promoting a "healthy lifestyle" to save costs. There were many back & forth emails last year as well as attack web sites when they announced the news last year. Some even called for a boycott of their products, because of the 'slippery-slope' issue being extended to weight, blood pressure, cholesterol, etc.

The controversy within the company is that Jimmy Haggedorn, the CEO, flies his planes back & forth to the East Coast where his main residence is. The issue that's been debated is that if the company wants employees to give up "risky behaviors", isn't flying your own plane equally dangerous? And shouldn't the exec staff stop having/serving/drinking alcohol at special functions? And what's being done about the high stress of working there? 

Smokers are the one - and only - minority where it's still acceptable to discriminate.

Posted by Elaine Reese, REALTOR® in central Ohio (Real Living HER, Powell Ohio) about 12 years ago
The rest of the story!  Thanks for the update on Scotts.  I drove by yesterday and kind sorta remembered the story as I had the radio on and they talked about the enforcement going into effect statewide of the public smoking ban.
Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) about 12 years ago

Maureen- Hawaii has also banned smoking in restaurants...You can't smoke in mostpublic places in CA anymore.. we have even banned smoking on the beaches in many cities.. it's wonderful.. I hate traveling to other states and walking into a restaurant where there is smoking.. your hair stinks as do your clothes.... I rarely go to Las Vegas because of the smoke in the casinos..

Funny thing is that opponents predicted that no one would go out anymore and the exact opposite happened.. more people started going out.. I think our smoking rate has dropped to the lowest  with the exception of Utah in the country.. sadly many kids are still smoking as a  badge of independence..

Posted by Kaye Thomas, e-PRO, Manhattan Beach CA (Real Estate West) about 12 years ago
Maureen, there was a recent article in the paper about the problem that Honda is having. While Scotts forbids anyone under their insurance plan to smoke (including family), Honda "merely" forbids any smoking on their property. So the employees can't smoke in their cars in the parking lot. What they do is drive their cars out on Rt 33 and park along the road. It's created a real traffic problem along that busy highway. Honda and the county sheriff are looking for solutions.
Posted by Elaine Reese, REALTOR® in central Ohio (Real Living HER, Powell Ohio) about 12 years ago

Nicotine patches! Nicotine patches for everyone.  A round of nicotine patches on the house.  It's what Honda needs, it's what the bar owners in NJ need, it's what the casino's in Las Vegas need... just slap a nicotine patch on the assembly line workers in Marysville Ohio, the drinkers in NJ and the gamblers in Las Vegas. 

Or maybe not.   

Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) about 12 years ago
Washington has had a ban for a couple of years.  I'm not sure of the complete regulation but I do know there's no smoking within 25 ft of business entrances.  I'm a non-smoker so I appreciate the law.  But, then, most of my friends are smokers so I'm around second hand smoke often...oh well.
Posted by Ben Kakimoto, Seattle Condo Specialist (Keller Williams Greater Seattle) about 12 years ago
Maureen...In NH it is not allowed in Public Buildings or restaurants.
Posted by Joan Mirantz, Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire (Homequest Real Estate) about 12 years ago

25' I am not sure how many feet from the door our new law is but I don't think the  law in Worthington was that big a distance. 

Joan are bars, bowling alleys, considered public places?

Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) about 12 years ago the best of my knowledge although I think they are still allowed to set aside areas(don't quote me on that) I do know it is strictly enforced at State Buildings,hospitals,schools etc. some it can't even be on the premises
Posted by Joan Mirantz, Realtor, GRI, CBR, SRES - Concord New Hampshire (Homequest Real Estate) about 12 years ago

Maureen, Florida has had the ban since '03.  I'm not a smoker so it hasn't been an inconvenience to me  =)

A couple of months ago we rented a hotel room and it was supposed to be a non-smoking room.  The moment we walked in we noticed the stink.  It reeked!  We called downstairs and had them switch us pronto.

Posted by Maggie Dokic | Miami, FL | 305.81.HOUSE (46873), GREEN, CDPE, SFR, Pinecrest | Palmetto Bay | (eXp Realty LLC) about 12 years ago

May 2007 ? and I did not say "Thanks"  Belated thanks Joan and Maggie. 

Maggie I have run into that.  I am starting to wonder if smokers rent the room and go out on the balcony for a smoke.  When they come back in (especially in the cold ? ) the smoke clings to them.   They can't smell it?  The people in their lives can't really smell it?  Those who are getting more and more used to not smelling it can really smell it in the hotel room.  It has to cling to their clothes, suitcase,  toiletries...

I have a friend who claims to just smoke in the garage.  I smell it in their home.

Posted by Maureen McCabe, Columbus Ohio Real Estate (HER Realtors) over 9 years ago